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Friday, 08 August 2008

Swan's $535m Medicare budget bungle

18/05/2008 6:15:00 PM.  | Richard Maxton with AAP

Treasury has reportedly underestimated the cost of changes to the Medicare levy by around half a billion dollars.

An independent study by the accounting firm PriceWaterhouseCoopers has found an extra 900,000 patients would leave private health cover and use public hospital facilities under the changes announced in the budget.

This is almost double the amount of people the federal government had originally estimated would be reliant on the public system as a result of its Medicare reforms.

According to the PriceWaterhousCoopers audit the dramatic increase in the threshold for the Medicare levy will leave the states an estimated $1.76 billion dollars out of pocket over the next four years.

NSW alone is expected to lose $480 million.

The annual income threshold at which the Medicare levy kicks in is set to rise from $50,000 to $100,000 for singles and from $100,000 to $150,000 for couples, under budget plans announced on Tuesday.

The move means the Government will collect less surcharge revenue, but will save more money by no longer having to pay the 30 per cent rebate to people previously in private health care.

The budget papers estimated a saving of $232 million in 2008-09, with $299 million expected to be saved over four years.

Mr Swan announced, the day after the budget, that the Treasury had found the measure would encourage 485,000 taxpayers to drop their private cover, or not take it up.

However the PriceWaterhouseCoopers study, commissioned by the Australian Health Insurance agency, found in order to achieve the target saving 908,163 people, not the 485,000 taxpayers claimed by the government, would have to abandon the private health system.

The mistake is tipped to blow a $535 million hole in the budget over the next four years.

The proposed changes to Medicare are driven by an ideological opposition to private health, Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson says.

Dr Nelson said it was also a savings measure for the government who will no longer pay the 30 per cent rebate for people who opt out of the private sector.

"What the government is doing is taking close to a million people out of private health insurance, adding them to public hospital queues, putting an inflationary impact on premiums," Dr Nelson told ABC television.

"This whole thing is driven ... by the Labor Party's general opposition to people having private health insurance."

"They will be paying less money in the private health insurance rebate of 30 per cent."

Dr Nelson said Labor had "completely failed Australia" and the opposition would use its Senate majority to block the proposal.

A massive hole has been found in the new federal budget that is threatening to leave the new Rudd government red faced.

 

COMMENTS

Sunday, 18 May 2008

I guess it would be useful for the dead Swan NOT to throw stones at the Opposition's omission of the lost revenue to the States (not Federal) with the %c fuel reduction!

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

 

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Oh! Kevvie actually made a mistake! Shock horror! How will he spin his way out of this one? Here's a suggestion Mr Clean..... "I wasn't across all the detail, I'll have to revue the documents!" or more likely he'll go down the "it wasn't our fault" path, or better still, "Swan screwed up, I'll sack him". What you won't hear is "the buck stops with me!"

Posted by: Gary Benson, Blacktown

Sunday, 18 May 2008

KRudd will try to blame John Howard. ALP state and federal keep on blaming the previous 11 years/gov/John Howard regarding the hospitals and everything else. I suggest you ALP dopes look at your own side of the fence and concentrate on what you’re doing stop repeating your selves "Nelson is frightened of loosing his leadership as this is no real big deal but FUBARing Australia is.

Posted by: Bart R, Sydney

 

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Why let such a thing spoil the fantasy? At least the Libs can be relied on to block this piece of garbage in the short term. They will lose the ability in June.

Posted by: Ir Ras Kah Ball, Carramar/Sydney

 

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Thank God Mr Rudd and Mr Swan are economic conservatives or this could be a real problem for the budget . Hahahahahahahahahaha .

Posted by: Chris ., Sydney

Sunday, 18 May 2008

How could anybody possibly have ever seen this situation come to the top so early. Where are Mr Rudd's spin doctors when he needs them. Maybe they have taken a holiday after the 2020 conference. Maybe what he needs is a loaded TV audience for his answers.

Posted by: Chris ., Sydney

 

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Regardless of the numbers the very idea of weakening the Private health system is just a dumb, ideologically driven policy. Rudd would not need a 2020 summit to tell him that when private health cover falls the, already struggling, public health system will suffer. Of course Rudd probably thinks that with the massive budget surpluses that he is getting he could afford to dish it out to his incompetent State mates to shore up the ailing public health system. The reality is that the way that this Government is going about the economy there will soon be deficits instead of surpluses. But Labor wont mind that they would have fulfilled their left wing ambitions, lost Government and the Coalition would be invited back in to fix up the mess. Happens all the time.

Posted by: Desmond Harris, Beacon Hill

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Des, Rudd will "dish out" from the 3 "uncontrolled" funds (just accounts with names) that he's falsely established as funds for education, infrastructure etc. These funds can have both the capital AND the interest spent in any way deemed appropriate by Rudd, unlike Costello's Futuire Fund that has legally enforcable controls. Rudd doesn't like people to be independent and look after their own future, he hates private schools, hates private medical insurance etc etc.

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

 

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Well Well Well. 13 years in the wilderness what did they learn, NOTHING. They were all sleeping, and now dragged out their socialist ideology. They are incompetent fiscal managers of OUR MONEY. Rudd and Swan are too busy patting each other on the back for the wonderful job they and the Labor State Governments have done for the unwashed Australian public. Roads, Schools, Hospitals, Immigration, Dental, Pensioners, Fuel, Supermarkets, Inflation, Interest Rates and now Medicare. GOOD LUCK.

Posted by: Andy Mac, Singapore

Sunday, 18 May 2008

ANDY! Why did you escape to Singapore,& winging from there? Did not like to be AUS...

Posted by: Sandy S,

 

Sunday, 18 May 2008

For Canberra we have elected a Peacock a Hawke and now a Swan, all proud birds but don't expect much.

Posted by: Hector Entwhistle, Canberra

 

Sunday, 18 May 2008

well no-one perfect and stuff ups do happen, what concerns me is, is this the only stuff up or the only obvious stuff up?, i would be more concerned if they went all the way through until the next budget without noticing the stuff up

Posted by: chris slvaeking, democratic crusaders alliance

 

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Amazing where are all the labor supporting contributors in this forum? They are nowhere to be seen about this. Surely those labor supporters are finding it difficult to see their masters making errors while we knew they are a bunch of goose. We can sit back & watch the meltdown of the public system. Those that are planning to opt out of PHI are likely to be labor voters who deserve to be in the long queue in the public hospital as one reaps what one sows! I am sure they don't mind the wait!

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

Sunday, 18 May 2008

You see - it's easy to promise everything, but "delivery" is different because people can actually assess the performance. With this first Labor budget now on the table (complete with screw ups) we now have Rudd alienating those people that (although they elected him) he doesn't really like them. Watch carefully for the Rudd "dummy spit" because I think Rud will react like a spoilt brat when cornered.

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Sunday, 18 May 2008

DEAR W O!DON'T TRUST THESE COOPERS,THEIR STATS ARE ALWAYS MISLEADING,WHY CAN'T THEY CONTRIBUTE SOME GOOD SUGGESTIONS BASED ON THEIR STAT ANALYSIS TO HELP Australians? WHEN CRISIS ARE THERE,THEY DON'T COME FORWARD TO HELP!By the way,can most of the people afford to have PVT Health Insurance?Even having Pvt health Insurance, why do they use Public Health System?Let rich people pay for Medicare also,as when in crisis they use them!Regards!

Posted by: Sandy S,

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Sandy, take the PWC data OR the Treasury, the story is the same. The public system will not be able to cope with the additional 500K to 1,000K people. You should support the idea of people taking out private health insurance NOT penalise. Rudd has got NO IDEA what he is doing. (nor have you for that matter!)

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Sandy, believe it or not, I used to work for a consulting firm which competes with PwC & believe me, they are a very well known international organization which prides on their impartiality & independence which is their livelihood. So the validity of its reports is not likely to be compromised. I guess it must be painful for labor voters to accept this from an organization like that hence you choose to be either in denial or in deliberate ignorance, which will not shorten hospital queues.

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

Sunday, 18 May 2008

You people are disgusting, you keep harping LIB/ LAB supporters?Whats your problem? You seem to be crazy!You are a confused lot!Have no work but keep winging.

Posted by: Sandy S,

Sunday, 18 May 2008

You people are disgusting, you keep harping LIB/ LAB supporters?Whats your problem? You seem to be crazy!You are a confused lot!Have no work but keep winging.

Posted by: Sandy S,

Sunday, 18 May 2008

That is what is called "escapism". W O! none of us offering any solution, neither in past nor in present, but ONLY criticism. If you are a consultant then offer a viable solution!

Posted by: Sandy S,

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Sandy - Hardly "disgustimg", we just add "balance" to your illogical rantings!

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Sandy, it seems you have forgotten to take your pill for the day. We are not hard working and just whinging? You have directed your comments to wrong group of people - please readdress your comments to labor voters as they are more suited to such a "compliment".

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Sandy. Here is the "solution". Don't sack Rudd & Swan, but make them ACCOUNTABLE for all the things that they PROMISED prior to the election. Then make them sweat and squirm ALL THE WAY to the next election.

Posted by: Geoffrey Bolton, Lane Cove

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Sandy, here is my 2c worth- short term solution: Get rid of Rudd (but this won't happen until 2010). Long term solution: teach people to work hard and have better financial education through our education system (but I guess bludgers will drop out of school so this will not work quite well either). Perhaps a flat tax rate and remove the majority of welfare and only limit welfare to only those who absolutely need it will help.

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

Sunday, 18 May 2008

W O! You are fit for a 2 cent solution,that shows your class again, first decide what you are, you seem to have gone berserk, you have been blabbering day & night, you are an idiot, ask people around you. Don't lie here & show your talent.

Posted by: Sandy S,

Monday, 19 May 2008

Sandy, your comments again show you are a typical left wing whinger - when the debate is lost (as you cannot provide logical intelligent argument against mine) and as typical labor voters do they switch to personal attack! I have seen too many of those here & obviously there is no shortage of labor idiots in this world like you. As for lies, my comments represent my personal views - where is so called "lies"? Stop crapping & get back to your little room & take the pill for today.

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

Monday, 19 May 2008

W.O., The 2 cents solution provider,You are so intelligent that every idiot, will admire your skills, & Dr. Nelson has provided 5 cent solution by 2010, which is enough for you to put fuel into your 9 year old car with 120KM on it, by 2010. You are really a good consultant that's why PWC never hired you, & you are still struggling to pay off your mortgage. What a joke you have made of yourself on this forum. You need a kick on your hind to be more decent in future.

Posted by: Sandy S,

Monday, 19 May 2008

Sandythe silly moronic left winger - you said that bludgers can't afford cars. If so why should you care about petrol prices? And my mortgage is well under control (in fact I am well ahead). No shame for owning a 9 year old car - better than what you calle the bludgers who can "never own a car". As for PwC yes I was not hired by them but I was hired by their competitors. In fact when I left PwC did approach me. You are asking for an insult and guess what - you will get exactly that from me.

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

Monday, 19 May 2008

WO, as Bart said yesterday "the socialist ears can’t pick up the logical frequency you’re transmitting at". They don't seem to realise that you can't have WELFARE if you don't have people to pay for it. Governments don't MAKE money, they just consume and re-direct it. So if you bludgeon the (so called) rich, then you will have NOBODY TO FINANCE THE EXTRAVAGANT IDEOLOGICAL LEFT WING WELFARE PROGRAMS. I guess we need to keep spreading the facts.

Posted by: "Benso" Benson, Blacktown

Monday, 19 May 2008

Benso, you mentioned about govt being merely redirecting the resources which cannot be more accurate! Indeed as Bart said these left whingers (sorry I mean wingers) will never understand what we are trying to comment. They are a silly & selfish bunch who doesn't care about others as long as they get everything under the sun for free! We are spreading the truth here for everyone's benefit as they are the bunch that wastes taxes you & I pay by being unproductive in the society.

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

 

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Folks. You can't have WELFARE if you don't have people to pay for it. Governments don't MAKE money, they just consume and re-direct it. So if you bludgeon the (so called) rich ($75k is a joke), then you will have NOBODY TO FINANCE YOU EXTRAVAGANT IDEOLOGICAL LEFT WING WELFARE PROGRAMS. Do you understand how it all works! By the way, I am neither rich or wealthy. But I do work hard. Is there anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Gary Benson, Blacktown

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Benso, I don't think labor voters will understand what you have just said. Left wing moronic bludgers simply just want anything & everything for free & they can't care any less if the rest of us are screwed up in the process. As I said earlier, Labor is telling us any household earning more than 150k is "rich". If the husband is say a police officer & the wife is a primary school teacher the entire household is therefore "rich". It just shows the level of jealousy & scumbag attitude they have!

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Wo - you are right, so I might just re-cap! You can't have WELFARE if you don't have people to pay for it. Governments don't MAKE money, they just consume and re-direct it. So if you bludgeon the (so called) rich ($75k is a joke), then you will have NOBODY TO FINANCE YOU EXTRAVAGANT IDEOLOGICAL LEFT WING WELFARE PROGRAMS. Do you understand how it all works!

Posted by: Gary "Benso" Benson, Blacktown (hardly a "wealthy" suburb!)

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Guys the socialist ears can’t pick up the logical frequency you’re transmitting at. They’re doing a Homer Simpson in physics class.

Posted by: Bart R, Sydney

 

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Its all ok !The country is in good hands. While we are all struggling to make ends meet , the budget doesnt balance and the health system is going into meltdown, Mr Rudd is going to look spectacular because his biggest problem has just been solved . He has just hired a new personal stylist. I think that shows us where the show pony's priorities lie.

Posted by: Jennifer T, Bulli

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Jennifer T, Bulli, you put it in a funny way but indeed I hear your seriousness. Making ends meet with kids and mortgage must be challenging, I don’t know how people do it. I don’t have kids but it must be hard, with our medical system taking another hit why would anybody feel comfortable having kids in this uncertain climate as medical is definitely priority to get right.

Posted by: Bart R, Sydney

 

Sunday, 18 May 2008

WO,reading your comment,rather, an absolute statement that bludgers drop out of school,I find resentful.As someone who completed Yr10 and left,I did it to pursue an early entry into the workforce.As a result I work full-time- 38hour weeks and hardly consider myself a bludger.Maybe you should rethink your stance on 'all' left-wingers.Also I support Labors commitment to having a conscience.And I doubt they'll lose any votes,as the affected,the fat walleted grubs,are likely Libs through and through

Posted by: Anthony L, N.S.W

Monday, 19 May 2008

Anthony, my point is not so much about bludgers dropping out of school - rather I am saying Australians need to have a better financial education so that they are not wasteful. You will see this in the context of my comments. Statistics show Australians spend $1.5 for each $1 they earn (overspending) & most of these are into useless goods & gadgets. Also Australians need to be taught not to rely on the welfare - good to know you work a 38 hour week but there are too many people who don't work

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

 

Monday, 19 May 2008

With millions of baby boomers putting more and more pressure on the health system in the coming years, where is Rudds brain. The last thing we should be doing is encouraging people out of the private health system. This is madness. We have enough problem with Labor state governments coping with the demand now...this is just medical suicide. God help us all...or better still...Liberal please get your **** together and get back in before this man can do too much damage.

Posted by: Chrissie S, Mooloolaba

 

Monday, 19 May 2008

I was