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US now officially in recession: Federal Reserve

15/10/2008 6:34:00 PM.  | AAP

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The United States has officially entered a recession.

The statement's been made by the head of the San Francisco branch of the Federal Reserve, the nation's central bank.

"The recent flow of economic data suggests that the economy was weaker than expected in the third quarter, probably showing essentially no growth at all," said Janet Yellen in an address in Palo Alto, California.

"Growth in the fourth quarter appears to be weaker yet, with an outright contraction quite likely," she said.

"Indeed, the US economy appears to be in a recession."

Meantime, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has told the National Press Club, Australia is well placed to weather the global economic turmoil.

“Our economy will be affected by the global fallout – that is why the government has taken decisive, early action to support our economy and our financial system.

“The government has systematically taken a range of measures over the past 10 months to maintain the stability of the Australian financial system.”

COMMENTS

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Free market economics is now officially a bankrupt ideology. The newly conferred Nobel laureate for economics has declared that laissez faire capitalism and deregulation of markets is as dead as the dodo. May it be forever so. And may the next pointy headed neo-con in need of a brain transplant who tries to resurrect it be hit with 1 millionth of the debt inflicted worldwide by this most pernicious manifestation of greed.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

You seem to be gloating because of a temporary problem with the Global economy. The free market economy has been, and will be in the foreseeable future, the only way to promote economic growth. Without economic growth there will be no way of lifting the underdeveloped Nations. Yes there are lessons to be learnt and that has been the way that man has improved his lot-learn from the mistakes and carry on. Your Socialistic solutions have been discredited and has led to the demise of the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Desmond Harris, Beacon Hill

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

...and of course nothing but mindless rhetoric from Sparrow. No opinion, no commentary, no suggestions just mindless negativity. So what do you propose Sparrow? Anarchy is alive and well and living in Brisbane!

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Geoff, what are you proposing? Denial ? The world just changed mate, didn't you notice? Greed is no longer good. The marketplace is no longer the sole arbiter of the economy. Private ownership of major financial assets is no loner the case, they are substantially owned or heavily supported by governments worldwide. To pretend that all will continue as before is naive.

Posted by: Mick S, central Coast

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

I don't know what you think an opinion is Geoff, I reckon I've made my view pretty clear in t he post above, and I've based it on the statements of a Nobel prize-winning economist. What more can I do? As for the uncritical regurgitations by Des, wheeling out the discredited pissle-down theory. Have alook out the window Des, smell the breeze, it is dead champ, deceased, defunct irrevocably and irretrievably gone.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

its not socialist, u economo-retard, the response is Keynesian macroeconomics 101-plain and simple (maybe not so simple for you)

Posted by: loony dedsmond, dubbo

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Mick S-The denials are coming from lefties like you. It has been private enterprises that has given the Western World its affluence. You seem to be suggesting a return to public ownership-you are joking aren’t you?. The Markets have been up and down for more than a century-they rise and fall in cycles-this fall is no different. No system is perfect but private enterprise is the best one that we have. Look at what the Socialists are doing in NSW-Rudd is going down the same path.

Posted by: Desmond Harris, Beacon Hill

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

So Micks, what next....nationalise everything? Please explain? Take your argument through to its illogical conclusion.

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

darren carrow-Me thinks that you are suffering from ideological blindness. If the Worlds economy is dead-as you seem to suggest-what is your solution for solving the problem. The Markets have always been volatile at certain times-and they always recover. Living standards would never have reached today’s level under discredited Socialist dogmatic systems. If you don't believe in the trickle down effect maybe you know a trickle up effect-like the old Indian rope trick. You are a dope- a cranky old loser.

Posted by: Desmond Harris, Beacon Hill

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Geoff, I honestly don't know. I am not able to read the future, any more than anyone else can. But I can see what has happended, and can state with some confidence that the situation will not be quite the same ever again. A massive worldwide crisis has occured. A temporary solution appears to have been hurriedly patched together, but recession is looming. The role of the market, of stock exchanges, of governments, the availability of credit and regulation of each will all change.

Posted by: Mick S, Central Coast

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Micks, I agree with everything in your last entry. I just have a problem with "extremes" of left or right. Have a great evening (Don't suppose you could get Freestone of my case for a while could you?).

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Mick S - I agree with your last comment - we have changed (i hope). I do not believe in socialism or pure capitalism, neither will work becasue we are a flawed species - we need to find that middle ground between the two whereby people have incentive to do better, but with controls to protect people from hurting each other. I am a huge believer in business & the market, but the modern public conglomerate has A LOT to answer for. I just don't know if any party has the guts to reign them in.

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Thanks Geoff. Agree, dislike extremism from either side, history should show us all that it ends in grief. I do believe that our economy, and western economies in general, will continue to be 'mixed" economies, but with a shift to the left, which I personally think will be a good thing. I do not espouse capitalism or socialism, but the "mixed" economies, but favour a more liberal (note small "l" please) approach, with a better distribution of wealth. Dickensian capitalism is abhorent.

Posted by: Mick S, Central Coast

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Des, it is not that I am sugegsting public ownership, it is the fact that the world is doing public ownership. There are bailouts occuring on a massive scale. The UK model, which looks to be implemented in the EU, sees shareholders in the finance companies which are being nationalised (and I challenge you to find another word for it), not getting a single penny till the public's investment has been repaid. BTW, the laureate laid the blame for current events at the door of Reagan/Thatcher!!

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Nothing wrong with the prudential regulations Costello left us with in APRA. Perhaps needs some tweaking and tightening as OUR banks were showing signs of pushing the envelope. We certainly didn't end up with a sub-prime junk debt or any marking up of that junk debt.

Posted by: A Narchy, The Hills

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Bolts: Been away with Swan in USA sorting out Financial crisis LOL.Well hasn't it been an extraordinary couple of weeks and i have missed it.The Market seems to be sorting it's self out now with all the bail outs and guarantees from Governments worldwide? We need to put some form of protection or Big Brother in the Financial sector to keep an eye on what they are doing?Greed and high risk or dodgy strategies are what caused all these problems in the first place and we don't want a repeat.

Posted by: Paul Keating, Dapto

 

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

You have excelled again Sparrow, and just listening to Krudd at the National Press Club, I'm sure that Marx, Lenin and Stalin can no longer be referred to as the three stooges and in fact I felt a tremor that could well have been them unaminously and synchronously clapping the Kev,and I am just waiting on seeing the latest gymnastical display by Putin but lets not give up all hope and seek what is the best way forward.

Posted by: Neville Simms, Sydney

 

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

A pic is as good as a thousand words and looking at Bush, you have to nearly feel sorry for a fellow completely out of his depth for most of his eight years, first with 911 you would not wish upon anyone to deal with he looked to me kind of frazzled, bidy language and all saying to me this guy ain't too stable, a smoking gun you could say and now he looks half or seven eighths broken, a look that says what have I done? what am I to be remembered for, why me?, save me please Lord!

Posted by: Neville Simms, Sydney

 

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Yes, prudential regulations will certainly be back in with a vengeance. Never again will banks be compelled to extend cheap discounted credit to those who cannot demonstrate a solid ability to pay AND the Wall Street cowboys will never be allowed to write their own rules. BUT this is a market correction writ very large. It is interesting to note that the total of goods and services in the planet is estimated at $40 trillion. Its total market valuation in securities & equities was $60 trill.

Posted by: A Narchy, The Hills

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

I agree with most of your post, but I have to point out that this is not a market correction. Trillions of taxpayer dollars are being thrown into the breach to try and cushion the correction. If we really allowed the market to 'self-correct' as the fairy story of free market economics says it always will, without intervention, then we would really see the apocolyptic consequences of laissez-faire capitalism.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Darren, I stand corrected. The government interventions overseas will skew things a whole lot, and I think it is wrong as it only delays the inevitable. Our measures here is more accountable as it doesn't really bail anybody out. Did you note the difference between $40T & $60T still to come, as in not addressed yet? That apocalyptic consequences you mention is still to properly roost.

Posted by: A Narchy, The Hills

 

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Well. George Dubbya has ensured his place in the history books. This is what Republicans do.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

I don't know where you guys see this "laissez-faire capitalism"? It's certainly not practiced in my country. Capitalism functions under many rules, some of them very tough rules. Our current prolbem is not with capitalism but with the regulartory agencies who are supposed to be watching the capitalists like myself. We'll be back in less than 6 months. Don't fret. Invest in the market now. You will make money in the long run.

Posted by: Pithy Opiner, Stockton, California

 
 

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