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Tuesday, 02 December 2008

Medicare bill set to pass parliament

16/10/2008 8:43:00 AM.  | 

Some 250,000 people are in line for a tax cut and almost half a million people are set to dump private health cover after the Rudd government struck a deal to ensure changes to the Medicare levy surcharge passed parliament.

As late as Wednesday night, the government and independent Senator Nick Xenophon remained deadlocked on the bill, which sets the income levels at which the Medicare levy surcharge kicks in for people without private health insurance at $75,000 for singles and $150,000 for couples.

Senator Xenophon was insisting the levels should be set at $69,000 and $138,000 and indexed to the consumer price index (CPI), while the Greens said they would not support a level for singles lower than $75,000.

But faced with the prospect of a second Senate defeat of moves to change the income levels for the first time since they were set by the Howard government in 1997, a breakthrough deal was struck Thursday morning.

Health Minister Nicola Roxon said an agreement had been reached with Senator Xenophon and the Australian Greens for the thresholds to be $70,000 for individuals and $140,000 for couples, indexed to wages growth, not CPI.

The compromise deal would provide immediate tax relief to 250,000 Australians and generate $380 million in revenue over four years, she said.

"Obviously we all stand here ... not with an outcome that each of us is perfectly happy with but I think it shows that in these difficult economic times that sensible people can come to sensible agreements," Ms Roxon told reporters in Canberra.

"I am disappointed the Liberal Party don't want to be part of those sensible discussions.

"It is something which means they have been left out of the debate, blocking tax relief for hundreds of thousands of Australians and not engaging in what is a legitimate discussion about how we properly support our public hospitals and ensure we also get the balance right in supporting our private health sector."

Treasury predictions indicate 492,000 people will bail out of private health funds under the agreed new thresholds.

But the health minister said thresholds were below what many industry groups had lobbied for and were unlikely to have any significant impact on private health cover premiums.

Senator Xenophon said a key part of the deal was there would be a Productivity Commission inquiry into the health system early next year.

"This hasn't been an easy process but it shows that with goodwill, with negotiation you can work through a difficult issue," the South Australian independent Senator told reporters.

"I am concerned about that tipping point in terms of having too many people exiting from the private system, the impact that would have on public hospitals and on private health insurance premiums, but you also need to acknowledge the equity issue of not having this threshold measure indexed back in 1997."

Greens health spokeswoman Rachel Siewert said the government had assured her party there would be no negative impacts on the public hospital system and had accepted an amendment to ensure a review of the impacts of the changes on the public hospital system.

"At this important time (of) the (international) economic crisis we thought it was particularly important we get an outcome now so we can start delivering real outcomes for Australians right now rather than having to put it off, yet again," she said.

Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull told AAP he still thought it was a "bad measure".

The Medicare levy surcharge changes are set to be voted on in the Senate later Thursday.

COMMENTS

Thursday, 16 October 2008

It is not Private health care, it is Socialist Government Funded Health Care for the Elite. If the rich want private health care and private schools then they should have the decency to pay for it. The money should be put into fixing up the public systems and let the rich bludgers put their hands in their own pockets.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

Thursday, 16 October 2008

How convoluted Henderson! If all the privately insured people leave private health then the public system fails almost immediately. To meet the increased need YOU then have to pay more through taxation. The problem with basic economics, is fools like you choose not to understand the fundamentals because they gey in the way of ideology.

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Geoff don't forget the Schools-The moron Henderson mentioned Schools-The Government saves an enormous amount of money because of Private Schools-they get away by paying a lot less (Federal & State funding combined) per child in a Private School than they do in a Public School-not to mention infrastructure. People that are gripped by the politics of envy cannot seem to grasp this simple point because they believe in pulling every one down to a level instead of espousing free choice. Free choice is the corner stone of a good Democracy.

Posted by: Desmond Harris, Beacon Hill

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Bolto, If the rich want private health care let them pay for it privately, with their own money. You claim that the public system would fail is utter bunkum. It's Private Health that will fail if people are not unfairly forced to pay for it. It isn't Private if it's getting Government support. You're just rich bludgers not even prepared to pay for your own elite lifestyle. Do I care if you are forced into the same queue as me, no, I am concerned that you seek to jump the queue.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

Thursday, 16 October 2008

With the passing of an amended medicare levy bill, we can now all sit back and see what results as people leave the private system and flood the public system. Will get back to you in 6 months once the data is available, at which time your apology will be greatfully received.

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

The oft repeated lie in this debate is that people will leave the so called "Private (But publicly funded for the elite)" and place a burden on the public system. Those who are sick are unlikely to leave their health cover. The people who leave will all or largely be perfectly healthy. It will hurt the cosmetic surgery industry hard, but why should tax payers be subsidizing that. The only thing that will suffer is the bank accounts of the rich elitist queue jumping bludgers.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

The Howard agenda for health was to starve out the public system so that we would end up with a similar system as the US, the most iniquitous and diabolical system imaginable. To this end he introduced the massive transfers of taxpayer money to private insurance companies, and cut funding to all public hospitals. If the private system stops receiving so much public money, maybe some doctors will remember their hypocratic oaths and come back to the public system.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Hmmm, seems like there are a lot of experts out there on what the previous government intended! Is it Darren Ambrose-Henderson, or just some Queenslanders or Shirees with their hate of anything successful? Hopefully we won't get everything nationalised or converted to a welfare state before Rudd gets voted out of office in just over 2 years.

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Hunched in his bunker, in the bowels of the factory where whip wielding foremen open up the backs of the ever grateful workers, Geoff Boltsen, surrounded by the facsist memorabilia into which he invests the profits of his enterprise, tremblingly raises a hand from the well worn keyboard of his PC, to strike off in red another day of Rudd's rule on the John Howard calendar he saved from the wreck of the Bennelong electorate office.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Yeah us Queenslanders up here read the comments of Mexicans like you bolton and praise the deity that you are down there and we are up here in God(or Alah)zone. I am just as much a expert as you bolton and good on Labor, Greens, Family First, independents who come from all sides, for helping rid a tax rort for the rich. Plenty of countries have excellent full public funded health care, it is achievable. Last thing we need is to be like the US. Sooner you wake up to that, the better for you.

Posted by: Russell Jones, Toowomba

Thursday, 16 October 2008

Oh Jonesy, almost forgot you! (wishful thinking!). No one (not even the Opposition) are proposing a US style system - that's just looney left wing scare tactics - but in reality "free" public health does not exist anywhere. Maybe Sweden (I'm not sure) but they are so looney socialist that the "free" system can only be met through high taxation. Somewhere, someone has to pay. So don't criticise people who pay for private health as well as paying (through taxation) for the public system.

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Thursday, 16 October 2008

By saying "public funded" in my comment, I assumed that an intelligent person would assume "from the public purse and not the responsibility of each individual in the society and not free". But I forget that you might read and reply, bolton so looks like I overshot. I am happy, of all of the government programs, to pay tax for health care. To know I can walk into a hospital and get world class treatment, without having to prove I deserve treatment is a privilege I value and happily pay tax for.

Posted by: Russell Jones, Toowmba

 

Thursday, 16 October 2008

The bit that everyone seems to be missing is how the private system works. We have a US style wannabe private hospital system, not a proper system. Private is good for elective surgery, and ancilliary benefits not provided for by the medicare system (dental, optical etc...), and even then you don't get it all back. For anything else it is completely useless & a waste of time & money. The public system is FAR more superior. We pay the surcharge & refuse to go private!

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

 
 

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