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Warnings ignored and that's why we've got inflation

12/05/2008 8:38:00 AM.  | Alan Jones

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Everything around us is going up, including taxes.

Why taxes have to go up when we're about to announce a budget surplus of about $20 billion is beyond anyone's understanding. But government doesn't seem to get the message.

The pre-election promises were that the government would deal differently with petrol prices, supermarket prices and interest rates. Well, they've dealt differently all right. They've all gone up astronomically, such that even people on high incomes are feeling the pinch.

Now the new Petrol Commissioner, Mr Walker has let the cat out of the bag. Competition has collapsed in petrol retailing because of the failure of the Trade Practices Act and the failure of the ACCC.

I've been warning about this for years. But now the Petrol Commissioner confirms everything I've been saying.

Motorists are paying higher prices at Coles petrol outlets. Well, everyone knew that except the ACCC and the Government. This Government and the previous Government.

We always said that the shopper docket discount of 4 cents a litre was too good to be true. And the old axiom applies, if it looks too good to be true, it is too good to be true. And what the Petrol Commissioner is now saying is the shopper dockets are driving up prices, and that Coles have the highest petrol prices.

Well, you don't need a Harvard degree to know that. The so-called discount has to be paid for somehow. Coles pay for it with higher grocery prices and higher petrol prices.

But that surely is not the issue. The Petrol Commissioner's given us proof. What are the Petrol Commissioner and the Government going to do about it?

The ACCC are part of the problem.

They gave the green light to Coles and Woolworths and the so-called shopper docket discounts. Indeed on 6 February 2004, Graeme Samuel of the ACCC issued a report which said, "The ACCC's conducted a review of the tying of petrol discounts to grocery sales by both Coles Myer Limited and Woolworths Limited. It found that the introduction of the shopper docket schemes has encouraged competition and lower prices in the fuel market".

Now the same Graeme Samuel is saying last Thursday, "Motorists should be wary of using discount petrol vouchers from Coles supermarkets, because the high pump prices will outweigh any saving." But if that's not bad enough, what is worse is that through the shopper dockets Woolworths and Coles have extended their tentacles into petrol.

Independent retailers have not been able to compete because Woolworths and Coles just load the price up onto groceries. So along the way, Woolworths and Coles have eliminated hundreds of independent petrol retailers. So the independents no longer can bring competitive pressure to the market to keep prices under control.

I've been warning of this for years.

Now we've got a Petrol Commissioner telling us that consumers are being ripped off. And the Petrol Commissioner now says, "It's important that consumers do not automatically rely on their petrol discount voucher to necessarily deliver the lowest price".

But we thought the ACCC was supposed to, according to its name, Competition and Consumer Commission, protect competition and consumers. Indeed there's a raft of staff paid handsomely to do that.

Here is your inflation problem: Prices in groceries and petrol going through the roof, and no Trade Practices Act strong enough to do anything about it.

It's all very well having a Fuel Watch and a Petrol Commissioner. He should tell us, as should the Government, what are they doing about what we've known for years.

Is the Rudd Government prepared to stand up for consumers? I mean action, not rhetoric.

The ACCC has stood by and allowed Coles and Woolworths to extend their stranglehold over the retail petrol market.

The ACCC gave their blessing to the shopper discount dockets by approving them under the Trade Practices Act.

Such discount arrangements are ordinarily illegal, as they're considered anti-competitive. The ACCC, if not the Government, should immediately revoke approval of shopper docket discounts. Because by its own admission, these discounts are a mirage. The oldest trick in the book. Lift your prices and then say you're offering a discount.

The ACCC and the Government stand by and do nothing. And then someone might attack geographic price discrimination, where Coles and Woolworths only give discounts at outlets where they face competition.

Where they don't face competition, the prices go through the roof. Meanwhile, Struggle Street faces the prospect of higher interest rates simply because this nonsense goes on.

Mr Rudd said he'd fix all this.

Time is running out on his credibility.

COMMENTS

Monday, 12 May 2008

You wait and see, they want GST up to stop us "spending money that we don't have", I am listening to 2GB radio and feel what is going to be happening.

Posted by: Joe Star, Brisbane

 

Monday, 12 May 2008

the solution to all this is so simple, all they have to do is take the taxes that make up 75% of the petrol ad diesel prices then make it a variable tax, then simply set it weekly depending on inflation figures, if inflation is up high a little bit reduce the tax and the spending figure would be significantly lower, if inflation if too low then simply increase the tax, spending is therefore up..... of course it's a simple commonsense solution and therefore would never see the light of day....

Posted by: chris slaveking, democratic crusaders alliance

 

Monday, 12 May 2008

People who actually thought Kevin Rudd was smart don't deserve to vote. Pretty much all he did was say "you should stop spending money on things like food, petrol and big screen TVs and inflation wouldn't be a problem" Now I don't know about everyone else but petrol and food are necessary evils, you need to buy petrol in order to work and you need to work in order to buy food and petrol. The RBA raising interest rates didn't help. Making people poor won't help inflation. Depression here we come.

Posted by: Alan L, Western Sydney

 

Monday, 12 May 2008

It was the union movement that ensured the gullible voted them in - how many millions and yet the unions desert their own members who work for govt departments - a prime example is the case of Gillian Sneddon (how many more do you think have been "illegally terminated") - the PSA union didn't support her either - yet the millions were poured into the labor movement - if you don't think that's corrupt then what is it - surely our learned lawyers might provide some advice on this!

Posted by: Dan Concerned, *

 

Monday, 12 May 2008

You can listen to 2gb all you like - do you think they will make any difference? - they do nothing apart from supporting the govt of the day - why don't they get the lazy politicians on air and make them accountable - the opposition is reeling in holiday mode - ask them why they don't keep the pressure on - O'Farrell, Nelson and all the shadow ministry should be out there and stop hiding - keep the govt accountable isn't that's their job - where are they???

Posted by: Dan Concerned, *

 

Monday, 12 May 2008

Alan Jones:Is there something you don't understand about the ACCC-who do you think they protect?it's not the consumer if that's what you think-how about gett Rudd, Iemma, and the Ministry of the day to answer the questions on air-perhaps it's too great a challenge for 2gb's highly paid announcers-I cannot believe that a radio station that is supposed to be there for the community doesn't do anything for them-apart from reporting traffic problems that's about all the communty service it provides!

Posted by: Dan Concerned, *

 

Monday, 12 May 2008

Oh by the way LIVENEWS keep the comments updated - I noticed you hide anything that criticises the govt or the precious announcers on 2gb- isn't this the idea of having "Your Say" or is this open to scrutiny or perhaps your loyality to the Iemma Govt-the Sunday Times in WA were raided are you too afraid - getting very close to a dictatorship - I don't like the idea and I would think many other people living in this state and country would detest it also. I find the Your Say a farce!

Posted by: Dan Concerned, *

Monday, 12 May 2008

Dan Concerned, seriously mate have bex and lie-down and shut the f*ck up! You look like a right goose when you get up livenews for not publishing your moaning rubbish against the government, the site and 2GB when your three comments below are doing just that. If you've got something to say, say it, but don't fill up the forum with your boring-arse moaning.

Posted by: Dude Shut Up, Sydney

Monday, 12 May 2008

Dude Shut Up: Unfortuantely you have made no contribution except a personal attack - I assure you that you have no idea - have I said something that isn't correct in relation to the union movement or the govt. It's not moaning - it's opening up your total ignorance-funny I was waiting for someon like you to make a comment - caught out! Oh by the way I don't like your reference to me as mate -I work on factual information - next time if you have something to contribute make sure it's worth it!

Posted by: Dan Concerned, *

Monday, 12 May 2008

Dude Shut Up: Unfortuantely you have made no contribution except a personal attack - I assure you that you have no idea - have I said something that isn't correct in relation to the union movement or the govt. It's not moaning - it's opening up your total ignorance-funny I was waiting for someon like you to make a comment - caught out! Oh by the way I don't like your reference to me as mate -I work on factual information - next time if you have something to contribute make sure it's worth it!

Posted by: Dan Concerned, *

Monday, 12 May 2008

Dude Shute up: Just another thing do you work for LIVENEWS?

Posted by: Dan Concerned, *

Monday, 12 May 2008

Dude Shut Up: It's still a free country isn't it - or do you have a problem with that - by the way, yes they printed the comments - I was giving them an example they don't display it on the screen first - get it!!!! Do you have any constructive argument to add to my comments??? I'm waiting - tell me about the unions first and did they provide the money to the labor movement? Did they or didn't they and why did they desest the likes of Gillian Sneddon and others???? Otherwise shut up your face!

Posted by: Dan Concerned, *

Monday, 12 May 2008

Dud shut up or is that Dude: I'm waiting for your learned advice! You have not answered any of my questions - do you have a problem making comment without using abusive language? Obviously yes - I noticed LIVENEWS had an overly delayed reaction on showing MY COMMENTS when I am CRITICAL OF THEM OR THE GOVT - thanks for updating maybe the stirring did it! Suggestion is that anyone that is allowed to be abusive towards others should not be allowed on this forum - aren't they the rules???

Posted by: Dan *, *

Monday, 12 May 2008

Dan Conceited , He's right im sick of you and your pernicous invective aswell. Why dont you go down to the domain and mouh off there or better still the steps of parliament house?. You wont though will you ,you'd prefer to hide behind a nom de guerre.

Posted by: slick 6, WA

Monday, 12 May 2008

Dear "Dude Shut Up"...what a silly, immature name? This looks to be your first "contribution"? Let's hope that your next contribution contains something of substance and interest, as opposed to simply "putting down" a passionate contributor.

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Monday, 12 May 2008

Dear Silly Sick 6, Dan COncerned makes some very good points - it just happens that he (and around 50% of the population) disagree with your rantings. You might be better suited in the domain - mouhing off or better still on the steps of parliament house? As far as assumed names go...don't you find your own criticsm somewhat hypocritical, "Slick"?

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Monday, 12 May 2008

Geoff and WO:I can see the obvious attack by left wing addicts - it's unfortunate they can't see see past their tunnel vision!they can't answer one question put to them and yet they will continue with their ill-informed rhetoric! I make no personal attack- there is a difference-like I've said before each to their own -it's seems to be crime if you speak out against a govt-since when?? (maybe in Russia!!), the likes of slick 6A from WA and Dude Shut Up can hide yet contribute nothing but abuse!!

Posted by: Dan Concerned (very much so), *

 

Monday, 12 May 2008

Dude Shut Up: Is there something wrong with going "against the government"??? Let me know when the freedom of speech is finally disallowed - am I breaking some law? Perhaps when you have something to add to my factual information it may get more interesting- otherwise I don't want to hear from you or do I need to put up with your abusive threats! Now we know who the real goose is!

Posted by: Dan Concerned, *

Monday, 12 May 2008

Dan, don't bother. Looks like another labor supporter showing his/her true colours. As with most labor voters, all they know is switch into personal attack and swearing mode when they either lose a debate or simply have no logical counter argument to offer. So it's no wonder people say like feather birds flock together - and no wonder we have such a PM in Rudd who is also an absolute goose.

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

 

Monday, 12 May 2008

I have no doubt that reform of the sector was on the minds of Howard and Costello, but I think they made a judgement call that workplace reform had a higher priority and wouldn't be as bloody, politically, as reform of the retail sector. While Woolworths and Coles were antagonistic to the Conservative government, they weren't openly hostile. I don't think the ALP will take any risks, either.

Posted by: In Evah Tah Ball, Carramar/Sydney

 

Monday, 12 May 2008

Slick 6A or was that just WA: I've noticed your innane comments however it has been of no interest to me to respond as I am fully aware that you provide nothing worth to debate about! it's all fiction nothing else- however when you personally attack me I will make the effort to respond by asking you to provide me with a response-if you are unable to back any of your statements that I am incorrect then don't bother with your ridiculous suggestions - I don't have to stand around Parliament to get my point across as the politicians know who I am – you don’t count! And that’s what makes all the difference! If you are calling me a coward – once again you rely on crap and is exactly what comes out of your mouth – nothing worse than being ill-informed and for this you take the cake! I won’t argue with anyone who knows absolutely nothing about anything! Get my drift!

Posted by: Dan Concerned, *

Tuesday, 13 May 2008

Dan Concerned I owe you an unreserved apology for my inane comments questioning of your intestinal fortitude . These foolhardy comments were not actually meant for you .I got mixed up and thought it was you that made derogatory remarks toward working Familes referred to as useless and scumbag by another contributor that indulges in the art of 'Trolling' in this forum .So sorry Dan. Slick

Posted by: slick 6, WA

 

Tuesday, 13 May 2008

ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLISH TO FIGHT AMONGST yourselves! This is all a bloody GIMMICK WHICH MOST of these POLITICIANS PLAY AT the EXPENSE OF GEN PUBLIC!

Posted by: Sandy S, Sydney

 

Tuesday, 13 May 2008

Very good Comments Alan.However you failed to mention WHO ignored Warnings? We all know WHO Who is and you don't need to mention it was the Liberal's.You are rihjt that Rudd said he would fix this and I for one hope he can.

Posted by: Paul Keating, Dapto

Tuesday, 13 May 2008

Paul, so what has Rudd done so far with respect to fixing petrol & grocery prices? Shopping dockets? Signing Kyoto? Watching whales? Saying Sorry? Forming useless 2020 summit & committees of committees with reporting due date at the end of this term? It IS a fact that petrol prices and grocery prices are even HIGHER under Rudd & what has he done? So if you want to criticize them you better make sure your master Rudd has actually done something BETTER. Otherwise it is an act of hypocrisy.

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

Tuesday, 13 May 2008

WO: You need to accept what Alan Jones wrote and he was right.For the last 11 years this has built up(Maybe longer) and now it's starting to hurt,Don't blame Rudd,He might have the balls to do something about it but he's only had 6 momths so far.Your mates had 11 years and did nothing but let it happen right under their noses.Blame them.

Posted by: Paul Keating, Dapto

Thursday, 15 May 2008

Paul, I always respect Alan however labot voters seem to have selective memory - only agreeing with Alan when he criticizes libs and disagree with him when he attacks labor. No I don't blame Rudd (how many times do I have to stress this - you guys are amazingly stupid in bringing up same arguments again & again). The issue is Rudd promised to lower inflation/interest/grocery etc but has failed, not whether he caused it or not in the first place. Understand? Stupid.

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

Thursday, 15 May 2008

Paul, one more challenge - what has Rudd done in his budget helping bringing down grocery/petrol prices? Fuelwatch scheme? That's a laughable policy. You ask people from WA & they will tell you the scheme simply remove the current weekly price cycle & the prices will be pretty much the same each day (& it will not be at the lowest price which normally occur on Tuesday now). Come on, name me some PRACTICAL (not spin or rhetorics) policies in the Budget that brings down grocery/petrol prices

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

Friday, 16 May 2008

Dear WO.I keep bring up who to blame because you won't say who you blame.You don't blame Rudd! But who do you blame? surely the buck stops with the Government in charge at the time? Awaiting your honest reply.

Posted by: Paul Keating, Dapto

Sunday, 18 May 2008

Paul, if you have been on this forum you will know I am consistent with my comments. It is no one's fault (not Rudd nor Howard) for high inflation & interest rate! They are a by product of a booming economy (check this with your economic textbook), unless you consider it a fault for a govt to deliver a booming economy! Peopele suffer from high interest because Australians have very dismal record of saving - they bust credit cards in useless gadgets - so who is to be blamed apart from themselves?

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

 

Thursday, 15 May 2008

Well, now we know what "working families" are not... They are NOT families with a joint income of $150K+. (Many hard working Australian families would be offended by this). They are NOT seniors. If you analyse what working families are NOT, then there isn't really much left?

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Thursday, 15 May 2008

Geoff, I think you are serverely under estimating the amount of people/couples earning less than $150K per annum. Also, I would enjoy hearing your definition of 'working hard'. Many people work hard for less than $60K these days, unfortunately.

Posted by: David ., NSW

Sunday, 18 May 2008

David, 150k is not very much in Sydney! According to census a police officer husband & a wife as a primary school teacher for example will get over the threshold! Labor is telling us they are "rich" which is total rubbish! Sure they are people who work hard under 60k but why did they have to work so hard for so little? You are blaming govt for this? One should be responsible for his/her own career & not the govt. Also "working hard" is a relative term-they are bludgers who do absolutely nothing!

Posted by: W O, Turramurra

 
 

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