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Tuesday, 02 December 2008

Force Aborigines to work or cut the dole: Mundine

21/08/2008 6:53:00 AM.  | AAP
Welfare laws should be overhauled to force Aborigines to take jobs or face immediate cuts to their dole payments, indigenous leader Warren Mundine says.

The Labor powerbroker told The Australian that the federal government should introduce hardline welfare reforms that force Aborigines to take work all over the country.

Mr Mundine said welfare reforms started with the quarantining of payments in the Northern Territory but must now extend to the reform of labour laws.

"How stupid does Australia look when we are flying people in from overseas to do these jobs," Mr Mundine told The Australian.

"There's not enough encouragement in the system to get people off the dole and into these jobs," he said.

"If you're not prepared to put your hand up for a job, no matter where it is, we shouldn't have to continue paying the dole."

Cape York indigenous leader Noel Pearson joined Mr Mundine in attacking the government's proposal to import 2,500 workers from Tonga, Vanuatu, Kiribati and Papua New Guinea to fill seasonal shortages.

"It would be a tragedy if it had to be farmed out to other nations," Mr Pearson told The Australian.

COMMENTS

Thursday, 21 August 2008

white or black ,,work or lose the welfare,,it's so simple

Posted by: Dennis Smith, syd

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Well there ya go, and here we go.............

Posted by: Belinda Hummie, New lambton

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Black White politics, Aint it nice to see some balance put into this argument for a change from somebody within the ranks rather than an outsider making a comment and then being blasted for it. But I am sure that there will be somebody out there who will whinge about this aboriginal man making comments about his own people. Even though he is in probably in a much better position to make a judgment than they are. All power to Noel Pearson.

Posted by: Chris Rasmunson, Sydney

Thursday, 21 August 2008

The emotionally charged will certainly be offended and Warren Mundine will be classified as racist after that comment.

Posted by: Rob Banks, Canberra

Thursday, 21 August 2008

I believe that with the natural resources the Aboriginal people have at their disposal this is a cop out. How about the GOVT finance the Mining Infrastructure for 1 mine, train the people from the area in in the running of the mine. This mine when paid for can then set up the next and so on. Then we would have minerals STILL owned by OZ and the workforce grows to accomodate it.Beats royalties and shifting the people from their land! Too hard eh!?Or is that too smart?!!

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

yep chris and dennis

Posted by: Belinda Hummie, New lambton

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Still the point is missed.Anyone who has done SEASONAL work, knows that when someone has been sent to the ORCHARD by Centrelink, if they didnt want to be there,A.) they dont work anyway.B) the fruit they pick gets damaged and thrown at the sheds.C) aren't reliable in turning up. These people have to WANT to WORK first, otherwise it's just another wasted exercise. Mundubberra in QLD has tried this import theory and it was a BIG failure. Good luck with the plan.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Any written info on this Nick that i can read up on. I am a big advocate of NOT bringing in unskilled labour, I would definately prefer the govt to force the long term unemployed (black or white) to relocate where there is work, like in the farming communities. If they don't work, they lose the dole. On the damage the fruit argument...many years ago, I used to spend weekends working picking fruit etc, & we weren't paid for damaged fruit - don't they do that anymore - if not - why not?

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

Thursday, 21 August 2008

CL, i have no idea if there's any written material on this, I was speaking on what i have experienced. I would be happy to see hte welfare system changed to MAKE people capable, getting out to do some work. 500.000+ we have sitting around. My last experience in the fruit industry was sorting in the sheds,Amazing how much is thrown or juiced because of damage from pickers.When younger we would see them sent n go by lunch. No interest.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Wow!! A man with this kind of moral courage should be in high office. Mr Mundine, if you want to come across the ocean and run for office in California, please do. We could use men like you here. I know you will come under fire from your own people, but I am convinced you will be able to handle it with ease. Keep up the good fight. Your people need you to give them this "kick in the pants."

Posted by: Pithy Opiner, California, USA

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

I have listened to Noel Person and also worked in the Cape York area he has allways had the correct answers, he or Warren Mundine should be the minister for aboriginal affairs or head of the Department. Traditional land oweners are at the bottom of the aboriginal industry do not get their far share, i known thay can work hard .I recently returned for Weipa as a speaker at the May Day march for the combined Unions of Weipa,many hard working Traditional land owners lead with no hand out.

Posted by: Nigel gould, Castle Hill

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Two giants among their people, Mundine and Pearson are men of wisdom, speaking from experience. These two men have been pushing these ideas now for quite a while. Pearson was a founder of a similar work for the dole scheme that has been in place in Cape York communities for a few years now. Before the usual "racist" gets thrown at me, my other posts on bringing Islanders in to work, stated, ALL unemployed should be doing the work.This however is about Aboriginals.Well done Mundine and Pearson

Posted by: susan lowe, gipssland

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Nick while I agree to an extent about people not wanting to work wont be reliable etc, Pearson has a program already, that at this moment has a group of young indigenous men relocated to Victoria, working in an Abortoir.This has been an absolute success , all of the young men fully employed, and contributing to their new community.With the support of their Elders in the North and local indigenous people in Victoria, their success speaks for itself.Listen to Mundine and Pearson. Men of character

Posted by: Susan Lowe, gippsland

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Susan, I've not heard much of Mr.Mundine has to offer, Mr.Pearson and Mr.Dodson, I've heard lots from. Both have some pretty good ideas. My argument is, If the people aren't interested in this specific work, its wasted effort.Not saying it wont work, not saying not to give it a go either.Its a better option than Importing workers from anywhere. DSS, set this issue up by modifying the assessment for the dole yrs ago. Used to be if yo choose not to work, no dole. Then it was seasonal, not req'd.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

Thursday, 21 August 2008

I still believe we can be doing more in the way of setting these people up for full autonomy. When one considers we spend Billions/yr and seem to treading water with bricks for floats, perhaps its time we try a different approach to the problem. We rip their minerals and give them away, this could be the first point to start changing. Proper ownership, would give autonomy, more employment and benefit the country as a whole. But bussiness is bussiness, global piracy rules.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

I remember how it was then Nick, and they never should have changed that stipulation. When offered a job, you took it or the dole was stopped. The powers that be over the years, have eroded a work ethic, and created a welfare state. Now it is generational. I agree Nick. The young men working here in Vic look up to the likes of Pearson and Mundine, their Elders, men who want a future for their people and know the only way is to work for it.This is a little like the mining idea Pearson is backing

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Susan, I live in a little backwater QLD town, we dont get much of this sort of thing in the news, so I'm nopt really up to date with what Pearson is trying to set up. New reports at present seem to think the only thing going on in the world is the DRUGLYMPICS. I watch very little TV.(2hr/wk max) so dont get much there either. Send me a link and I'll have a read. I hav eno doubt that Pearson, Dodson, Mundine if given freedom to work, could manage wonders in this area.

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Nick, just google Noel Pearson and Warren Mundine, you can get lots of their info on many sites. It was a point I tried to make on the topic of Greer's book promo, and she stated on ABC Q&A that she has no time for Pearson.I knew immediately why she said that, because Pearson is one who has been slamming 40 yrs of welfare handouts for many years now. Greer is from the left who pretend welfare and talk is the only way and Pearson challenges that theory as a way of keeping people oppressed.

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

There's a certain few who regularly attack those who dare to criticise anyone of a different colour, calling them racist. They're very silent now that Mr Mundine and Mr Pearson have come out with what is surely a very sensible suggestion and should be aimed at ANYONE on welfare, whatever their colour, to take jobs offered or lose the welfare cheque. My congratulations to these men who are great representatives of their race and BOO to those who confuse criticism with racism.

Posted by: colleen a, Sydney

 

Thursday, 21 August 2008

Colleen, I agree completely, as for the "racist" tagging, in my opinion it is a word used to silence constructive criticism from anyone of another race/culture, usually aimed at white anglos, and usually used by those who have no comprehension of rational debate.. .....Nick stay where you are, backwaters are where we see through the rhetoric with clear vision and not hysteria, are able to comment after thought, and have more time to read rather than accept the opinion of media. All = Harmony

Posted by: susan lowe, gippsland

 
 

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