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Saturday, 22 November 2008

Troops need to do better: Brown weighs into dog cage debate

2/09/2008 12:19:00 PM.  | Olivia Suzanski

Bob Brown has joined a chorus of critics who have hammered the government after Australian soldiers held a group of Taliban detainees in dog cages overnight.

Defence says the prisoners were kept in dog enclosures, because the group of soldiers had no safer option.

The Government has supported the troops' actions, but Greens leader Bob Brown says it's deplorable.

“For Australia to find itself keeping prisoners in dog kennels, even overnight, is a big mistake,” he said.

“The Australian government needs to give the soldiers in Afghanistan the wherewithal to do better than that – not to be caught in that situation.”

Earlier, Defence officials confirmed that Afghan prisoners were held in dog pens.

"Yes, however this holding area provided the best secure, safe and isolated short-term accommodation until the following day," a Defence spokesman told the Australian newspaper.

However, Islamic decrees warn Muslims against contact with dogs which are regarded as unclean.

Afghan ambassador Amanullah Jayhoon has strongly criticised the use of dog pens for human detention and warned the incident could provide valuable propaganda for the Taliban.

Australia's peak Muslim body the Islamic High Council has expressed alarm at the practice.

"This is of concern to us whether they are Muslim or other people being confined to other accommodation designed for dogs," said Council spokesman Mohamed Mehio.

"This is a matter of human rights."

Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon has denied any wrongdoing by the diggers.

"The detainees were held for 24 hours at this transit facility, which was the time required to arrange appropriate transport to move them to a purpose-built detention facility at Tarin Kowt," he said.

COMMENTS

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

Thank yourselves that Brown would be too old to join any troops on the a frontline. First thing I'd do would be to find a kennel to put him in. Next he will be introducing a bill to provide the army with a fleet of Winnebagos for those it needs to detain.

Posted by: G Brandis, Sydney

 

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

Bob Brown should be reminded what they do to Homosexuals....he should thank his lucky stars he doesnt live there as one. The women have been treated abhorrently, anyone remember the Taliban driving the 2 women into the middle of the soccer field, making them kneel, and shooting them in the head....they dared to attempt to keep teaching the little girls....so they shot them...Go away Bob and all your looney mates...maybe go live there if you want to love the Taliban..see what human rights YOU get

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

 

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

Senator Brown, one didnt hear you squeal too loud qhen our BOYS are dying from NO MEDIVAC being Available to them. Strange how you can sing about the wrongs of prisoners treatments but are Sooooo quiet about the issue of having emergancy medical assistance. How about you sit back down and be quiet agian, or are you bleating to get something for your electorate here?

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

Of course Bob. Maybe the government could supply them with a portable, blow up prison that they could simply deploy when they come across prisoners in war zones. You MORON, instead of asking the frontline troops to do better how about you pull your swollen head out of your backside and have a look at what is happening in the real world! I given up on waiting for something sensible to come out of your mouth you over overrated, illogical pretender!

Posted by: Grant COOK, Terrigal

 

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

No wonder we in the West can't win a military conflict with thinking like this from our politicians. Since when have we got to be aware of the cultural sensitivities of murderous scum such as the Taliban ? If you've got to flush their heads down toilets, put them on dog leashes, make them eat dog food or parade them naked and humiliate them - WHO CARES ! If we fought this War on Terrorism the way it should have been fought, the battle would have been run and won years ago !

Posted by: J Youngster, Sydney

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

It's bogan, reflexive, flag waving BS like this that is the reason we are in this state in the first place. J Youngster says that this war should have been fought the right way. Does that include supporting the administration (US) that provided the taliban with weapons in the first place? I wonder whether you would feel the same way, J Youngster, if you had been born in Afganistan. Probably not. What you argue is exactly what the nazis argued in the 1930's...with precisely the same justification

Posted by: Steven Wright, Sydney

 

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

No wonder we in the West can't win a military conflict with thinking like this from our politicians. Since when have we got to be aware of the cultural sensitivities of murderous scum such as the Taliban ? If you've got to flush their heads down toilets, put them on dog leashes, make them eat dog food or parade them naked and humiliate them - WHO CARES ! If we fought this War on Terrorism the way it should have been fought, the battle would have been run and won years ago !

Posted by: J Youngster, Sydney

 

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

why oh why do you people in the media give this wart air time. he is an absolute buffoon.

Posted by: neil mckinnon, albion park rail

 

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

Not sure whose side Bob Brown is on. Is he the leader of the Greens, or the Taliban? Or BOTH? Either way, he'll never get my vote.

Posted by: John Eller, Cessnock

 

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

torturing people wont win you a military conflict. ask the japanese? it hardens peoples resolve to defeat their torturers.we shouldnt even be in afghanistan,regardless of what the ''armchair warriors'' think!

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley park

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

Travor - why shouldn't we help the democratically elected government of Afghanistan, when they asked us? Do you know something that we don't? Or are YOU a Taliban supporter?

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

geoff. firstly ifyou think afghanistan is true and fair democracy you are mistaken. its run by corrupt war lords and drug barons. secondly its not that im a taliban supporter though you probably were when they fought the russians? i just think it irrational to proceed with the failed policies we have been .and call me ''gay'' if you like but i think torture immoral.

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

 

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

Mr. Brown lacks the credibility to comment on the actions of our brave men fighting a brutal regime in terrible conditions. He is a continuing joke who would not last ten wimpering minutes in the field. Such a quisling fails as a representative of even the snarling pack of green gutted worms he leads.

Posted by: Peter Gallagher, Brisbane

Wednesday, 03 September 2008

to''do you know something we dont?'' mate the whole world knows something you dont!

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley park

 

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

Can you picture Bob Brown in the front line, beating the enemy to death with his handbag!

Posted by: Gary Benson, Blacktown

Wednesday, 03 September 2008

Gary, I only have one comment to make about your shabby, stereotypical, homophobic comment on Bob Brown. Hee hee hee!! :)

Posted by: Peter C., Sydney

 

Tuesday, 02 September 2008

its funny how some australians suddenly become gay rights activists to justifying torture. something tells me they are not geniune, particularly when they resort to a homophobic joke. the taliban used to be our allies . we armed and trained them and thought them ''nice chaps'' back then . their attitudes to gays, women and human rights was exactly the same as it is now. i think some of these ''armchair'' warriors should be held in dog cages and educated.

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

Wednesday, 03 September 2008

Pre Taliban was Era of warlords, Poppy time. Taliban = much less Poppy and seriously less freedom, or anything else. Taliban are Pushtan from the backwoods of Pakistan/Kashmere regions. They're well recieved in pakistan and a fair amount of civil unrest is due to the peoples dislike of seeing their own people mowed down with GUV. Of PAKISTAN helicopter gunships. If looked at in the right perspective, it becomes plausible to see major escalations in this front, With political change in PAKISTAN

Posted by: Nick Again, Maryborough

 

Wednesday, 03 September 2008

Trevor, you dummy. It wasn't the Taliban we supported against the Russians. It was the Afghan tribes who melded together to defeat the Russians. Read Wilson's War. Many of the current Taliban in Afghanistan are not even from Afgfhanistan. But, from other muslim countries. Those that are Afghanistanis, have been threatened recently to toe the line and stop their Taliban ways or the various tribes are going to get rid of them, permenantly. I think they have had enough from what I am reading.

Posted by: Pithy Opiner, California, USA

Wednesday, 03 September 2008

pithy. the resistance to foreign occupation in afghanistan is growing not deminishing. the main thing the afgnans have had enough of'' is us ''

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

Wednesday, 03 September 2008

the west created the environment for the taliban to gain power. the tribes who fought the russians ,including bin laden,were not great on human rights either. we did support the northern alliance a group of warlords on par with the taliban as far as intolerance goes. either way you are splitting hairswhen you try and absolve the west from any responsibility for the disaster that is afghanistan.calling me a dummy is a response from someone with a limited argument. i i suggest you read robert fisk

Posted by: trevor crook, wiley pk

 
 

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