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Pension increase bill is unconstitutional: Labor

23/09/2008 10:28:00 AM.  | John Barrington

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A Coalition push to increase the aged pension by $30 a week has passed the Senate, but it's unlikely to become a reality.

Coalition senators, along with the help of the minor parties, have passed a bill overnight, to immediately increase the single aged pension by $30 a week.

Before voting for the bill, Family First Senator Steve Fielding tried to have it expanded, to see payments for all welfare groups increased, but was unsuccessful.

It's for this reason the bill is likely to be stopped in the Labor-dominated House of Representatives, with Government MP Jason Clare saying it excludes about two million Australians, not on the aged pension.

“We need to help married pensioners, we need to help carers, we need to help disability pensioners, we need to help veterans,” he said.

Community Services Minister Jenny Macklin says the bill is nothing but a stunt, because bills concerning money must be introduced into the House of Representatives.

“It’s not constitutional for a bill that starts in the Senate – that actually contains money – to go through,” she said.

“The Liberals knew this; they’ve known all along that the approach that they’ve taken is not constitutional. That’s why they didn’t introduce the legislation into the House of Representatives.”

COMMENTS

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

How about all Pensioners and those who support the move to increease their and other pensions, ask their MP if they will vote for any such proposal in the Parliament. And make it clear that "if you do not provide this support, then you will NOT get my the vote in the next election." Then be sure to check how that MP actually does vote when the motion is moved in Parliament. And carry out the threat if it is appropriate. Want to bet this will work ?

Posted by: Geoff Cass, Tewantin, Qld. 4565

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

No Ms. Macklin, it's not unconstitutional ! It's just a nice way to wedge Labor should they fail to pass the bill in the House of Reps.

Posted by: Tim Price, Sydney

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Perhaps they are using the "stunt" to draw attention to your lack of action Jenny. Perhaps they are giving you a hint to DO SOMETHING !! As much as you might like this issue to go away while you wait for your reports and commissions, it isnt going to...pensioners are in need NOW. The cost of living is rising daily, and you still sit on your hands waiting on a report. Next time you want a rise in your over blown salaries, last one was 14 %...perhaps we should demand you wait until we get a report

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Only a Labor politician could utter those words "It's not constitutional" - It's also not constitutional to continually lie to the public! Nothing but distractions typical of the labor rehetoric and spin! Didn't Chris Evans call it a "stunt", plagerism runs rampant also in the labor camp - it's impossible for them to be original!

Posted by: RS ****, Sydney

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

If you hadnt noticed, Kevin Rudd knoncked back the last raise in their salary. Politicians dont get much money considering that they have at least some control of the whole country. If the libs were in power, I couldnt see them upping the pension by $30. Even if only 100,000 people recieved $30 extra a week, thats 156 million a year, so stop worrying about a minor pay rise to the polly's, by the way, $30 a week is more than a %14 increase, so dont worry about the politicians gettign 14% more.

Posted by: William Bennett, Capalaba

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

William Bennett: The Single aged Pension is at of 20/09/2008 $281.05 per week. A rise of $30.00 per week equals 10.67% !!! So I suggest instead of spending your time "blogging" , you take lessons in Maths. RL Bundall

Posted by: Ria Lohuis, Bundall

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Please RS, what have they plagarised? And what have they lied about? Compare John Howards first year to Kevins, and youll see that johny boy did a lot more travel and a lot less work.

Posted by: William Bennett, Capalaba

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Thats complete nonsense William. Howard didn't travel at all during his first year as PM because he was too busy overhauling the complete dogs breakfast that was gun laws across Australia. A feat he achieved in less time its taken Rudd to do nothing but spin unintelligible bureababble and pass the buck. While Howard was at home running the country he was elected to govern in his first year, Kevins been up on his private RAAF jet watching his 'Air Force One' DVD and pretending hes Harrison Ford.

Posted by: DJ C, Baulkham Hills

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

DJ C: This is a problem these left wing supporters have - permanently blinkered and one eyed - they can't read the previous factual posts already posted but come up with their own rhetoric and spin - their master has taught them well!

Posted by: RS ****, Sydney

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

The non-partisan Clerk of the Senate, Harry Evans, who is a very experienced constitutional expert advised the Senate that the Coalitions bill was not unconstitutional at all. I know who has greater credibility on the issue between Mr Evans and Jenny Macklin. But she got her face on the news so its not all bad news for her. Now that shes orchestrated this distraction, perhaps she could go and do her real job, which is to improve the living standards of Aboriginals.

Posted by: DJ C, Baulkham Hills

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Isn't it great the Libs are so concerned about the Pensioners? Year after Year we heard Costello and Howard trumpet about billions of dollars in the country coffers, but i can't recall a pension increase other than the CPI. Like many other pensioners, I view this stunt - and that is all it is - with absolute contempt. To use an element of the population for cheap political point scoring is just wrong, but sadly typical of how the Coalition will use any cause to get on the front page

Posted by: wayne smith, melbourne

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

And what did the Labor govt do? The liberals never sprouted we are for working families, the disadvantaged, the workers and for the battlers - LABOR DOES and the pensioners fell for it. The fact that Labor now refuses to entertain this increase shows they are a bunch of scumbags with a dork for a leader who continues to weave and duck the real issues and runs to front the UN much to the mirth of the Americans and Europe.

Posted by: Patricia S, Sydney

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Only the truly educated can manage such balanced and scholarly prose 'bunch of scumbags with a dork for a leader'. Such a well reasoned argument, and couched in such moderate and academic prose. We are privileged to have the benefit of your educated opinions Patricia.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

I see Family First also supports the "Starve the disabled to death because it's cheaper than building gas chambers campaign." promoted by the COALition.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Henderson - I used to think you were just an idiot but comments like that show you to be evil and unbalanced as well. Grow up for gods sake.

Posted by: Pete 2, Brisbane

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Im sorry DJ C, but it is so true, he did a LOT of travel. And dont you agree that it would have been political suicide to not outlaw guns, the initial reaction mat have been mixed, but he used it to win his second election.

Posted by: William Bennett, Capalaba

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

If I remember correctly William, and I was only 14 at the time, the states weren't exactly making it easy for Howard. It was a political battle that was won by him without all this "ending the blame game" and "cooperative federalism" rhetoric that Rudd goes on with now. Rudd can't even work constructively with his Labor mates in Qld, NSW, VIC and SA to work out water entitlements on the Murray-Darling. And this was meant to be the unprecedented era of cooperation with the states. Hes all spin.

Posted by: DJ C, Baulkham Hills

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

I didnt say I was worried William, i said perhaps we all should ask for a report before they get the raise, and in my opinion the aged should be cared for possibly before the politicians..ALL of them...the cost of living has soared this last 10 months. Howard didnt travel in his first year of office.

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Actually if you look at the age demographics of voters for each party, more pensioners voted liberal than labor.

Posted by: William Bennett, Capalaba

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

I don't know how many pensioners who can't make ends meet actually care about constitution and wheather Howard and Castello were for it ot not. They are not important. Mr Rudd and Mr Swan and Mr Turnbull agree that we should pay more pension. So let's not dwell on technicality Ms Macklin and just do it. We promisse to even give you credit for it if that is what you are after. You should burry your head in shame . Liar

Posted by: Happy Stein, Earlwood

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

i can sense an enormous African pachiderm in the room. Why didnt the coalition increase the pension in 12 years? Can someone PLEASE give me a straight answer for this apart from the excuse that they're heartless rich greedy bastards?

Posted by: some youngguy, redfern

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

The Howard government increased pensions some 2% ABOVE inflation in their 12 years. Is the answer straight enough for you?

Posted by: A Narchy, The Hills

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

These are the people who you labor voters have put into government after they have promise you the world and I know how much they are going to give you and that is nothing. Some voters are so inept it's beyond believe. They will come with all sorts of excuses till the next election then it will start again.

Posted by: Joe Gatt, Blacktown

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

2%, on how many occasions?how much % change are they asking for now? why such a large increase? 2% only? sounds like a paltry increase. and this is after the good times have gone

Posted by: some youngguy, redfern

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

After the good times the old age pensioners worked hard for you to have younguy. 2% ABOVE inflation , you know younguy, inflation, that thing that has driven the cost of living up these last 10 months. Be grateful you have had a good time, many of our aged lived through a depression, a war, and built this country up so you could have a "good time"...Give them the $30 , they earned it.

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Susan: These are the points people like "some younguy" miss or forget or actually don't know or couldn't be bothered finding out or being informed - they didn't put the sweat in and don't give a stuff the reason why there is no respect for the elderly in this country!

Posted by: RS ****, Sydney

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

inflation, that thing that has driven the cost of living up these last 10 months"....wasnt it going up before 10 months. why didnt howard reward these old-age pensioners in the decade & more prior? do you also include those on disability pensions, how much did howard help these lot?

Posted by: some young, redfern

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

" worked hard for YOU to have younguy"-they didnt work for you too sue, or did you lay on your back and marry your wealth,all to piss it away arguing dribble on the net for the rest of your short time on this earth?reality check

Posted by: some yung, redfern

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Wow, under the ALP my grandmother would have had to eat dog food .. anything else would be unconstitutional. She was an ALP supporter all her days. I hope the ALP regret their bad decision. I seem to recall Rudd promising in the last election that under him gravity would reverse.

Posted by: Happy Fun Ball, Carramar/Sydney

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Pete 2, Brisbane, You are not even man enough to sign your name to you personal abuse, that is typical scum bag Lib stuff. Now, you explain why single disability pensioners are not as deserving as aged pensioners. Inflation hits them as hard, the GST hit them as hard. Howard, and now Spinbulldung are only interested in vote buying amongst the elderly. This is not generosity or caring, its Porkbarreling. You just let the disabled starve, you don't care, Spinbull doesn't care, the Libs never care.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

 

Tuesday, 23 September 2008

Younguy, your previous post explains everything. You know nothing , you have no respect for yourself let alone anyone else, your spoilt and priviledged, a brat, and have no values or morals, and even less education I suspect. How is that for judging someone simply on their comment ? Suck it up little boy.

Posted by: susan lawe, gippsland

 
 

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