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Saturday, 10 January 2009

We're not racists, Australian fascists say

21/11/2008 7:57:00 PM.  | Richard Maxton
Australian residents exposed as members of the extreme right-wing British National Party say they are proud of their beliefs but deny they are racists.

Membership lists for the ultra-conservative group were leaked on to the internet, including the names, addresses, phone numbers and ages of 10,000 BNP members.

The party, whose hardline policies include a call for foreigners to be sent home, was thrown into chaos after children, school teachers, police, clergymen and government employees were found within the list.

Of the 10,000 members listed, 15 were based in Australia.

Many on the list were marked "discretion requested" because they were unwilling to be publicly assosciated with the controversial party.

But not Australian member Benjamin Hugh, who said he wasn't bothered to learn his details had been posted on the public domain.

"It's water off a duck's back to me," he told Fairfax today.

"I just feel a connection - like most white Australians - with Britain and my ancestry and I care deeply about the survival of the British people."

British expat 51-year-old Arthur Grice, who now lives in Brisbane, said he was proud to be assosciated with the BNP and was not intimidated by reports of members being sought out, threatened and abused in Britain.

"I've got my [membership] card in my pocket now and I'm prepared to show it to anyone that wants to see," he told Fairfax.

Grice denied he was a racist, saying he opposed open immigration policies because Britain was becoming over populated.

"We see every year 10,000 or so acres of crown land chopped down to make way for houses that a country the size of the United Kingdom shouldn't really need," he said.

"You don't put 100 people in a boat built for 20 ... this isn't a question about race, it's a question about culture."

BNP leader Nick Griffin said the list was leaked by a disgruntled former party official.

The list remains availabe for download online despite a court injunction. The file reportedly received 6 million hits within 24 hours on one site alone.

While BNP membership is not illegal, it is forbidden for some British public servants. One police officer has already been suspended after appearing on the leaked list and more suspensions are expected.

COMMENTS

Friday, 21 November 2008

Is it the case that we can only belong to the Australian Labor Party?

Posted by: Paul Neri (JWH Party), Australia

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

"You don't put 100 people in a boat built for 20 ... this isn't a question about race, it's a question about culture." Calling Paul Neri!Last call for paul neri

Posted by: ura dik, sydney

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

If people who associate are not inciting violence, shouldn't they be free to associate without fear of retribution? I live in a democracy that cherishes the right of association, as a bulwark to tyranny. At least I thought I did.

Posted by: Paul Neri (JWH Party), Australia

Friday, 21 November 2008

I'm so glad that the true colours of the old Howard guard are coming out. Howard trained you well Paul with his dog whistle, you're still straining your ears for it and salivating right on cue. The clarity of the connection you demonstrate between the Hansonite racists and the Howard heartland is perfect. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Friday, 21 November 2008

A sort of Freedom of Association, it's a freedom for everyone - except, it appears, anyone with facists beliefs? Suppose they will have to form a Facist Crime Squad.

Posted by: Rob Banks, Canberra

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

As much as this organisation disgusts me - its a bit rough having your name and address publically posted on the internet - I'd be furious if it were me.

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

Friday, 21 November 2008

I guess that poeple should then consider membership of any organisation which they would be ashamed of their membership being publicised. Kant enunciated that you should act according to the principle that you would be comfortable with your actions being widely publicised. Ghandi said that the truth never damages a cause which is just.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Friday, 21 November 2008

carrow professing bullcrap again...it doesn't matter what cause or non cause you may or maynot believe in but when you have your address, name exposed on a public website even you would be outraged. We don't see you displaying your full address details on here so I guess your theory about truth is utter rubbish and when Ghandi made that claim what really was he referring to people exposing their names, address and details on the internet for the world to see...get real!

Posted by: glen smith, gpark

Friday, 21 November 2008

Time to expose yourself yourself Carrow ! On second thoughts please don't!

Posted by: Fair Dinkum ,, ,

Friday, 21 November 2008

I am proud of membership of each and every organisation of which I am a member. Exposure of my membership publicly, even broadcast on the internet, would bother me not one jot. In fact I think some of the organisations I belong to already do this.

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Monday, 24 November 2008

Carrow; Al Quaida, the Zazi Party and the Communist Party etc.

Posted by: James H, United Socialist States of Australia

Monday, 24 November 2008

I agree totally Darren - my point is not that his name was published as being a member - my issue is with his address and contact details all over he internet - that I find abbhorent. I too am proud of any organisation I choose to join.

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

I think this is a photo of Graeme Henderson in his youth! LOL :-)

Posted by: Geoff Bolton, Lane Cove

Saturday, 22 November 2008

No, couldn't be, his youth pre-dates photography.

Posted by: Rob Banks, Canberra

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

I am proud that my grandfathers fought in two world wars against fascists and I will do my bit too if they attempt what they have in the past. I am a proud conservative and I will have nothing to do with those who argue against immigration on grounds of race, or who oppose foreign aid because "we need to do more here," or who feel that some races are better than others in some circumstances. I similarly oppose socialists who argue the same. ALP started White Australia Policy. Libs ended it.

Posted by: Happy Fun Ball, Carramar/Sydney

Friday, 21 November 2008

Good to hear :-) Just a quick correction - the ALP did not start the white Australia Policy - Barton did and he was a protectionist...although it did pass almost unanimously. Also both ALP and Liberal leaders have each had a hand in removing the remnants of the white Australia Policy. Neither party tolerates racism

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

Friday, 21 November 2008

Go read up on the real history and beginnings of Federation and white australia policy. Unions began the push for a white australia policy...also learn how Australia was far from a racist country, with many immigrants already here and the majority of whites being convicts or freed convicts. To many base early Australia on US history, this country never was or has been like the US. Tired of history being revised by the new "anything white is racist" breed. http://www.convictcreations.com/history/whiteaustralia.htm

Posted by: susan lawe, wherever

Friday, 21 November 2008

A correction to your correction. If 'neither party tolerates racism', how do you explain Kevin Andrews vicious slander of the Sudanese in the run up to the 2007 election? And Wison Tuckey?

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Friday, 21 November 2008

Susan, you crack me up. That website was as bad as the silly thing Boltsen sent me to a while ago. You could tell people that it is put up by the Country Liberal Party and the Sydney Institute. PMSL at the amaterish garbage you choose to comfort yourself with. Speaking of a 'revision of history'. Ha!

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Sunday, 23 November 2008

Darren, Andrews was slandered by many. He correctly pointed out statistics which were wrongly contradicted by Christine Nixon acting in her role as minister of the ALP instead of police chief. Also, having been corrected, Barton later became ALP ..

Posted by: Happy Fun Ball, Carramar/Sydney

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

These dogs are Nazis by another name. Stick your rights of association where it hurts, let's name these mongrels as what they are, terrorists. Benjamin Hugh, go home, if you feel British go to Britain. Arthur Grice, you oppose immigration but you hypocritically you come to Australia. Off you go, go home. I certainly hope the AFP is watching these mongrels. The world failed to deal with Hitler when they had the chance to do it easily, we should not make that mistake again. Lest we forget.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

I do not agree with their fascist beliefs, but surely this amounts to harrassment? What is the quote? "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"..

Posted by: Sio Ni Muiri, Perth

Friday, 21 November 2008

Sio NI Muiri, I am against facists too, but like you, I believe I still live in a country where free speech is not against the law. You have the quote exactlly correct. When freedom of speech and the right to associate without inciting violence, is gone, you will no longer live in a democracy. They are the rights I will fight for in a this free democratic country. Who here has the right to oppose free speech , NO ONE. By not allowing the right to associate and freedom of speech, you are no better those you oppose.

Posted by: susan lawe, wherever

Friday, 21 November 2008

Freedom of speech to be mitigated to prevent hate speech. The only people who deny this are those who would spread hate speech. As for violence Susan, the BNP haev a long histpry of using it to promote their political ends. Nick griffin (pictured) is on the record as saying his party will 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists.' A party member has been jailed for a terrorist attack with a nail bomb. Do you really want that here?

Posted by: darren carrow, brisbane

Friday, 21 November 2008

The site's I read on Australian History concur with the History Books I have read. Older than anything your Uni professors feed you with today. This country was not settled by FREE WHITES, free whites were the minority and disliked by most...it was settled by convicts, chinese, italians, islanders, phillipino's, traders , japanese, italians and more. Eureka Stockade had all saluting the the Eureka flag on Dec 3rd 1854. No matter what your new revisionist history Proffessors shove down your throats in Uni today, they can never change the writings of those who there and the FACTUAL history of our beginnings. Protest all you like, you have not yet changed our true history, and you never will.

Posted by: susan lawe, wherever

Friday, 21 November 2008

Who denies freedom of speech to be mitigated to prevent hate speech. No one. There are many already here who have made hate speeches, present and past. As for making nail bombs,, it is already here...Abdul Nacer Benbrika jailed on Terrorist charges in Melbourne, the makings of nail bombs and chemicals found in his, and others convicted with him, homes. Thankfully caught before they had the opportunity to blow up the MCG . Free to speak freely until you break the law. That is democracy.

Posted by: susan lawe, wherever

Saturday, 22 November 2008

Ever read the book "I remember" Carrow....even know who it's author was..I would bet the answer would be no...you seem to be of the impression the site I sent you to was, in your words "Country Liberal Party and the Sydney Institute. PMSL at the amaterish garbage you choose to comfort yourself with. Speaking of a 'revision of history'. Ha!" As I posted prior to this, you may wish to alter our History with your revisionist version spouted by today's Uni Professors, but you can never destroy the written factual history or the writings of those who were there and wrote about it.....you should ask to read the book "I remember" should you ever go to a library, something I doubt, but anyway, if ever you do, here is an extract from that book...http://members.ozemail.com.au/~natinfo/lang-wa.htm..It's author....one of your very own, Jack Lang...I read it before you had teeth.

Posted by: susan lawe, wherever