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Some Muslim clerics condone rape: report

21/11/2008 6:45:50 AM.  | 

Some Muslim imams condone rape and domestic violence within marriage, exploitation of women, welfare fraud and polygamy, a report has found.

The report was based on a study commissioned and funded by the former coalition government and produced by the Islamic Welfare Council.

The report was presented on Thursday at a National Centre for Excellence in Islamic Studies conference at the University of Melbourne.

It alleged some imams:

- apply Sharia law only where it benefits men;

- hinder police investigations of domestic violence claims; and,

- knowingly perform polygamous marriages, which allow a second wife to claim Centrelink payments because they are regarded as de facto wives under Australian law.

The Victorian Islamic Council expressed concern about the report's findings.

Islamic Council vice-president Sherene Hassan said she was concerned about the reported findings, but did not think these beliefs were widespread in the Islamic community.

"I don't think it is widespread, but even if it is, one case is one case too many," she said.

"If this is taking place it is a violation of Islamic teaching and I'd be concerned about it."

Ms Hassan said she had not seen the full report as it had not yet been publicly released.

She said the Islamic Council of Victoria was holding workshops early next year that would involve social workers and leaders in the Muslim community to discuss issues surrounding women's welfare.

COMMENTS

Friday, 21 November 2008

I am glad that you wrote that "Some condone rape and violence" because it is the problem across all cultures of male species. That is not to say we should not study Muslim groups. We have a simple solution to this. All we have to do is strictly apply the laws we already have and severly punish those who break it. Ignorance and not knowing the language is no excuse. But we have a habit of making excuses. Zero tolerance would not fix the problem but it would help as deterrant.

Posted by: Poison Pen, Sydney

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

I feel very sorry for these poor women being used and abused by men in the name of Islam. Stating the obvious, there is no place in Australia for men who suppress and control their partner through religious belief. Send them back to the sandpit where they belong.

Posted by: Paul Trood, Southport

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

Oh the shock, the horror, like we didn't know this

Posted by: T G, Holsworthy

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

Multiculturism at work.

Posted by: Shawn Lamb, Canberra

Friday, 21 November 2008

Thats what i said to my bangladeshi accountant the other day as well-sure his delaying my refund. I'd hate to be him tho,i give alot of crap-just so funny hearing his voice!lol

Posted by: oz tradie oi, fairfield

Friday, 21 November 2008

He's a cheap accountant.So i go with it. Saw his family at work the other day, they are a sight to reckon.after chattin him up, being nice we got talking-you know.I'd hate to be his son though. He gets alot of flack at school apparently. He's fat, big glasses, coloured, weirdarse name & ugly as.Daughter may turn out good though.Sucko!Shouldnt have come here inthe first place.

Posted by: oz tradie, fairfield

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

I refuse to accept the description of Muslim as applied to these religious figures in much the same way as i reject that priests who deny god are Christian. I understand that there is no clerical agency like a church that standardizes the utterings of some of these extremists, but that doesn't mean they are not utterly wrong. Until the press can provide balanced political reporting I will continue to discount reports of mad clerics.

Posted by: Happy Fun Ball, Carramar/Sydney

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

The idea is, for those that think this is only an Islam issue is to look at all cultures. It was not long that our women could not vote. Do not turn this into Muslim problem. The problem of all violance against women and man as well goes beyond relegion.All you have to do is read everyday news.

Posted by: Poison Pen, Sydney

Friday, 21 November 2008

Very true but what other religions enshrine this behavior towards women. Mainstream none that I can think of.

Posted by: Paul Trood, Southport

Friday, 21 November 2008

Thats what i told my slave the other day when she asked to be released. I showed her The Bible and said"you see, i am your master, i can even kill your first born son".She shutup after that.Thank Christ she's a believer in the Good Word

Posted by: john winston, sydney

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

Dont worry Australia, the government opened the gate and now we cant close it. There will be a lot more of them with this ideaology to spread around this fair country of ours. Its only a matter of time........tick.....tick......tick.

Posted by: Phil Tilley, Adelaide

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

I think we need to wake up and stop pretending that all races can mix. It is evident that some peoples beliefs do not fit into our culture!! I dont fit into their's, so what makes our Govt's think they will fit into ours??

Posted by: Master Sharky, Central Coast

Friday, 21 November 2008

Yeah.Like a german shepherd cannot live/procreate with a mastiff. Just doesnt happen

Posted by: aussies Rdogs, sydney

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

I don't buy this either. Many Islamic women are in fact empowered by marriage - they are now head of their own households, even if they do have a defined role within marriage. As for rape etc as Poison Pen said it is a problem within all cultures and goes beyond religion. Paul Trood, 'there is no place in Australia for men who suppress and control their partner through religious belief'. People suppress and control each other everyday regardless of religion, in all cultures and walks of life.

Posted by: Cassandra Cole, Sydney

Friday, 21 November 2008

People suppress and control each other everyday regardless of religion. You got that right, it's the way the world is run. But I stand by my statement, which was specific to the incidence through religion.

Posted by: Paul Trood, Southport

Friday, 21 November 2008

Every woman ignores these reports at their own peril. Police are required to deal with domestic violence in Muslim homes differently to the wider population. I can assure you Australian laws on domestic violence and rape in marrigae have come a long way in the last 35 years, thankfully, except in some sections of our community. NO woman TODAY should suffer domestic violence, especially violence condoned by one's particular religion. There should be NO exceptions allowed with regard to Religious beliefs, but sadly we allow them. Sharia Law should never be permitted in this country in any shape or form. One Law for all !! Violence against women and children should NEVER be condoned or protected by Religious beliefs. If you refuse to believe this isn't happening, you leave the door ajar to turn back the hard fought for RIGHTS of ALL women, to a time many of you would not remember, when women did NOT have the rights they enjoy today.

Posted by: susan lawe, wherever

Friday, 21 November 2008

Casandra while I agree with your point that people suppress and control each other everyday regardless of religion, in all cultures and walks of life, I also remember when rape in marriage wasn't against the law, it was changed in 1985 and in some states later. Police were not able to charge the offenders, and FEAR prevented the abused women from doing so not so long ago. Women fought hard and long to have these laws changed, and still have a long way to go. Merely accepting this happens in all cultures leaves the way open for the perpetrators to continue their violence against women and children. Women should always fight for ALL womens RIGHT to be protected from domestic violence by law, lest it be you next time. Domestic violence has no socio economic preference, it crosses them all.

Posted by: susan lawe, wherever

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

Now stop it all of you or you will have Henderson to answer to!

Posted by: Repeat Offender, Sydney

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

What a ridiculous report. If the Quran is studied correctly it clearly confirms that a ladies position in Islam is that they have more rights then the man. A lady in Islam does not have to do anythig for the man. She is head of her household and what goes on inside the home is of what she comands. This study is obviously another shot by the media to portray Islam as being a bad religon but people are not stupid and ignorant to beleive everything they hear or read THIS REPORT IS FALSE AND RUBBISH

Posted by: Zack Cabrosi, Brighton

Friday, 21 November 2008

You had better read the report again, it starts with 'SOME' and and it is produced by the Islamic Welfare Council of Victoria. Wouldn't it appear to you that SOME people may not be studying correctly?

Posted by: Shawn Lamb, Canberra

Friday, 21 November 2008

Hope your right Zack. but you must admit some of the Australian clerics have at time made some very inflammatory comments which have in turn done considerable damage to the acceptance of Muslims by Australians (in a broad sense). It's on the record.

Posted by: Paul Trood, Southport

Friday, 21 November 2008

Shawn you are right in saying they are not studying the religon correctly as if they did study it correctly they would condemn all these actions as it is stated in the Quran. I found this islamic site that has the rules and Q n A ww.sistani.org This guy is a real scholar of islam

Posted by: Zack cabrosi, Brighton

Friday, 21 November 2008

Zack, So in a Muslim home if the woman is the head of the household, why is that the woman do not eat with the men? Why is in Saudi that the woman also sit at the back of the bus behind a partition. Why is in apartment block with lifts the woman cannot use the same lift as men? Whys is that woman cannot drive, or drive on their own? Need I go on. These men have a great deal to answer for. Their sheep, camels and goats get more respect than their woman.

Posted by: Andy Mac, HK

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

Muslims raping women, Catholic priests sexually abusing children. I think the problem is not with the origins of the migrants but religion. All religion in its fundamentalism is dangerous and appeals to the least educated of society. Treat everybody the same way that you would like to be treated.

Posted by: Alan Lawrence, Perth

Saturday, 22 November 2008

Brilliant Alan, so the least educated tend to belong to a religion and subsequently tend to be rapists? And gratefully we now have this this connection revealed after 2000 years by an educated man.

Posted by: Rob Banks, Canberra

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

Dutch friends of mine once used to brag about cool Holland. But after Theo van Gogh had his throat slit, they have been rather subdued.Stalin had his "useful idiots" in the West, the islamofascists have ... the Australian Left.

Posted by: Paul Neri (JWH Party), Australia

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

Master Sharky, Central Coast. A typically cowardly racist. Hide your name and stir racist hatred. This is about religion not race for one thing and we know how all religions seem to have problems with sexual matters. One only has to remember the case of a recent Governor General selected by John Howard who lost his job over sexual crimes being condoned and covered up by religious groups. If we were to ban religions it would make more sense, they do seem to be a sickness.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

Friday, 21 November 2008

See I warned you all - Now you have the old wind bag started there will be no stopping him. Only the truly delusional will try and completely separate race and religion. But don't believe me I am a horrible racist.

Posted by: Repeat Offender, Sydney

Friday, 21 November 2008

Pitiful Opinion. Yes you are a racist, and you are certainly a cowardly one hiding your vitriol behind such a childish non de plume. Race and religion are so different only a total racist would try to join them.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

Friday, 21 November 2008

Of course, ban religions like they did in Russia. We can find another excuse then for rape, fraud, domestic violence and welfare fraud. How brilliant.

Posted by: Rob Banks, Canberra

Friday, 21 November 2008

Yeh, russias doin well nowadays.Peak of humanity there

Posted by: sam simmons, perth

Friday, 21 November 2008

See there you go again Hendo slagging off the wrong person. I am not Pithy. I am the repeat offender. I am like a watch dog for your stupid comments. You put labels on people faster than a 1970's check out chick and woolies. The label gun just goes bang bang bang and you never change the label. This weeks special "Racist". What's on special next week?

Posted by: Repeat Offender, Sydney

Friday, 21 November 2008

Repeatedly Offensive, Sydney. My mistake, you cowardly racists all look the same. You are no watch dog, just some slinking mangy mongrel that will run if a kitten hisses at it. Obviously you are smart enough to be ashamed of the rubbish you write, but then that is no intellectual achievement. I call racists racists, you don't like the truth huh? Liars hate being called liars, racists hate being called racists, it damages their distorted self image.

Posted by: Graeme Henderson, Darling Downs

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

As others have said - any iman that believes this is not true to his religion...similarly any priest that rapes children is not true to his religion...there are scumbags in all walks of life. As for oppression of women - that is simply not true...any oppression occurs because of cultural issues not religious! As for violence against women - go to any local court on AVO day - take a good look around - violence has no race or religion!

Posted by: Concerned Liberal, Minto

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

Remember the days when you could pick up a newspaper or turn on the telly and not see the word ... "muslim".

Posted by: Paul Neri (JWH Party), Australia

Friday, 21 November 2008

All races get there turn just like teh Italian, Greeks, Hindus, Muslim etc History repeats itself mate. It is onvious people feel threatened by muslims for that reason they try to downgrade them. Typical human behaiviour

Posted by: Zack C, brighton

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

The problem here if this report is correct these so called Imams are not properly educated and for that they come up with there own opinions. If rape is okay in Islam why would the death punishment apply to both sexes. If adultery, exploitation of women and all these other remarks were okay why would the death punishment apply. It is truly contradicting. So obviously either the media are making this up or these so called imams are highly uneducated about the religon there talking about.

Posted by: Zack cabrosi, Brighton

Friday, 21 November 2008

More problems from the impostors who stormed Auburn hospital three months ago. There is a such a criminal trend here that the public should turn their attention to the Department of Immigration. Who is running this department? Are they sympathetic to Islam? Australia is a Western country with a Western Constitution. Multiculturalism is not in the constitution & is hence an expendable policy. It is also indecent to suggest that these crimes should be understood just because others commit crimes.

Posted by: Had Enough, Chester Hill

 

Friday, 21 November 2008

Oh look! the apologists and do-gooders have all popped out of the woodwork. Rape & violence is ILLEGAL in Australia. So is poygamy. Moslem Clerics who knowingly(& they do know) perform polygamous marriage ceremonies are breaking the law. Supporting rape & violence is discriminating against women. Advocating publically it is a further offence. When are the law going to act on this. If these crelics are not Australian citizens they should be DEPORTED immediately. NO Excuse, No Apology.

Posted by: Denlo B, Wollongong

Friday, 21 November 2008